Battle of the Ports - X-Men Children of the Atom (エックス・メン チルドレン オブ ジ アトム) Show
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It's a short battle this week but still a good one as we take a look at Capcom's first ever Marvel based fighting game, X-Men Children of the Atom.
Time Code
00:28 - Arcade
02:37 - PlayStation
04:20 - MS Dos
05:53 - Saturn
08:00 - All versions side by side
Enjoy!
That Q sound logo and theme always make me feel a nice sense of nostalgia.
yes. are you ready true believers la la la la in marvel super heroes vs street fighter. That's my first thought lol
Problem. Don’t know if it’s been mentioned but your talk of the DOS port is half right. What you say is true, if you install the 8MB RAM version of the game. Yeah, you get the cuts, the decrease in color palette, etc. If you install the 16MB version of the game, you get ALL the arcade animation and color reproduction intact. The DOS version was the ONLY release to get the visuals 100% barring that awful upscale to 640x480.
I always wondered why Capcom put Akuma in this. Then I realized that Since Super Turbo is called Super Street Fighter 2 X in Japan. That means Akuma is an X-Man
+Octopuswithcorn hehe, interesting thought,.
Man, what a great game, I love it. The intro gave me goosebumps once more.
I grew up with a PlayStation so watching these videos now damn lol i still loved this game
well, what you never knew back then would not have bothered you :)
Jim Lee's X-Men art will never be usurped.
I remember playing this game in a corner store in San Jose in '97, and spent a good $20 in quarters over the course of ~9 months. Once I found out that Akuma was an unlockable playable character, I unlocked him just to show my friends. He feels kind of out of place. Nice to see that it got a decent MS-DOS port in addition to the awesome Saturn version.
I bought the PAL Saturn version on release and it had those horrible borders and unoptimised 50hz gameplay. I still loved it despite that but what a rip off since the games were so expensive too. When I got my Saturn 60hz/region modded it made such a huge difference it was unbelieveable. The music in COTA is also epic, easily my favourite out of all the vs. games.
The Pc version IS NOT a port of the Saturn version. It was reprogrammed from the ground up. It is also NOT missing any animation. You have to run the game in 16mb mode. The other lesser 8mb mode cuts some frames. The Pc port also has different resolution/color support modes that can be used depending on your 2d capability. Older S3 cards tend to handle the game well, as does Kyro II cards oddly enough.
I'd say that some pieces of the PC port use the Saturn version as a base. the 8MB RAM install has the same animations missing as the Saturn version, minus the more pixellated looking stuff the Saturn version did with some animations. Beyond that though, the PC version especially in 16MB install mode is VERY different. I just wish Probe didn't mess with the move properties and such so damn much. I mean Silver Samurai can't even do his rapid slash move and run on this version with DP motion and punch. And that's not even getting into the chain combo situation.
the saturn is the closest thing to the arcade version, thou it`s still not perfect, it`s a good option for those not willing to buy the actual acade board
True, it's not really arcade perfect but for such an early Saturn release its pretty impressive.
i wonder what it`d have looked like if it ran with the RAM cartridge
Probably very close to t the Arcade.
It's a shame it didn't use the ram cart in a similar way as marvel super heroes. But the game is still pretty good right?
I'm still fond of the DOS version, since it it seemed to keep most if not all the arcade original's speed, and had intro/copyright/service-menu screens like if it were an arcade board. Plus, using the at-the-time-new VESA modes of new graphics cards (or the UniVBE driver the game supplied for older cards) made for a more accurate resolution AND run at 60Hz instead of the default 70.
I think the demo was limited, as the full version had installs for two 8MB versions and one for for power gamers with a full 16MB of system memory.. I'll check.
Right, I remember now that one of the 8MB modes used only 256 colors for everything. I'll have to fire up my DOS machine up and see how much animation was cut out of the 8MB 32,768 color VESA mode install.
+NightSprinter Just installed the 16MB RAM/32K color version of the game into DOSBox from CD. The demo is not representative of the retail CD version, as the demo size had to be kept small so it could be downloaded over a dial-up connection, so it's probably the 8MB RAM/256 color version. Also, DOSBOX needs to have its CPU cycles set to a fixed 100,000. Leaving it at Maximize Cycles or Automated Cycles Detection will make the game run choppy.
Yeah, it's actually best experienced on the real thing with a GrIP-compatible controller or two.
NightSprinter Also download the patch that brings the PC version up to 1.01
Here's Acclaim's page for where the patches were located, but you;ll have to find them somewhere else:
web.archive.org/web/19990417141615/www.acclaim.net/games/x-men/demo/demo.html
The links are 404 for the patches. Any idea where else to find them?
You think you could do 1 on Mvc2? There's alot of differences in some ports..
Hmm, I think most of the Ports are emulation but I will look in to it.
Most versions are from the Naomi, Ps2, Xbox, iOS and Psn/Xbl outside of Mame/Dreamcast.
Are, PS2 would be a port of the Dreamcast so that would be interesting to see. The Xbox version is just emulation as is the Ios version. If I can find a cheap PS2 version and download the Xbox 360 port I'll give it a try. The original Xbox version may be an issue though unless it is backwards compatable on the 360.
@@RetroCore Xbox original version was a port of the PS2 one as it has a lot of the same issues.
Always enjoy your videos :D
I always thought this game was really cool but too tough to beat.
ps1 "don´t join in"? what is that? you HAVE to play from the versus mode or something?
You'd think so with the stupid message but I'm pretty sure you can actually join a 1 player game.
The Saturn version looks quite a bit darker than the others. Is that a capturing issue or an accurate representation of how it compares?
Whenever I cover a Saturn game I use real hardware via RGB. This is probably why the colour looks different
Hmmmyeah... I have my Saturn hooked up to a Beovision MX 7000 via RGB and the picture is brilliantly colourful. Was a bit worried as I have Children of the Atom in the mail and I feared that it's going to look dark and muted. Thanks for answering!
It looks great on my TV too but for some reason it is darker via the Capture. I have this problem with the Atari ST as well.
Shame, that. So you actually have an Atari ST? I always thought you captured footage of ST games via emulation.
I don't own my own but a friend has one which I use from time to time. I do also use emulation when I can't use the real hardware.
Yes!
As good as the Saturn port plays and looks, this game - along with the original arcade version of Dead or Alive - remains one of my favourite classics which I hoped for ages it could get a pixel-perfect re-release on some modern console/digital marketplace, and that sadly never happened. There's something about CotA - maybe the stages, the music... I can't really point that out - that not even the more powerful (and way better ported) VS games managed to equal.
+Galdelico Well, you could always play Dead or Alive in the Model 2 Emulator and X-Men COTA in Final Burn Alpha. I wouldn't bother with MAME for either of those games.
+Retro Core Sure, I tried FBA emulator back in the days and it was awesome. That said, as much as I love emulators - from a technical standpoint - there's still some psychological barrier that prevents me from fully enjoying to play games on them. I'm weird, I know. :D
Galdelico
I can understand where you are coming from. I love my emulation PC but I'd still rather play on a real console with the real game any day.
Marvel Vs. Capcom Fighting Collection should have you covered.
@@Darknight0681 8 years later, I'm thankfully still alive and enjoying CotA in all its arcade glory at last! 😁
Everyone's mentioned the PC ports different modes, particularly the one 16mb mode that restores all the animations and color. That alone would've made it the best port if it weren't for the fact that they messed up so many of the move properties. And the PS1 version had many of the same issues on top of it's other major setbacks considering that Probe did that one too.
Probe sucked ass in my opinion. Even their much loved Alien 3 game soon becaome a slug feast IMO.
I get that Probe was primarily tied to Western games and the PC at the time so it makes sense why they did the PC port. But I sometimes wonder if Rutubo games just said “fuck it” on the PS1 version and gave all their work to Probe to try and sort out. I mean the PS1 version is essentially the Saturn version except with cuts to the backgrounds and a HORRIBLE framerate.
Wasn't MSH this game's successor? I remember SF vs XMen only coming out on the Saturn in Japan around the time of the Saturn's imminent death in Europe and these to games had been out for a while then.
MSH was the sequel, but just most remember XvSF more. Also MSH had more general Marvel characters than this and the only-once-used Infinity Gem System.
Neves knew there was a msdos version !
A classic, I found this in thrift store for 2 bucks I bought it and didnt own a saturn until years later.
+Studio Bad Guy $2 is a great deal! Well worth that price.
If i remember, when you put the Capcom RAM Cart in the slot of the Saturn, there is a new mode which appear in the option menu. Can you confirm it?
I do think think there is for this game. As far as I remember the first RAM cart came out after this game.
Hell no.. Akklaim did that shit port before ram carts
wolfniggr1 Marvel Superheroes actually gains 90% of its animation back with the RAM cartridge. But the rest of the game being unchanged is very true.
Yeah, it actually does. I have the game itself. Granted it doesn't make the game run like Xmen Vs. Street Fighter, as there's still load times, scaled back voices, and slowdown. And you also have to set it for 3MB mode in options, which only shows up if the cartridge is in there. But it most certainly did add animation. Not all of it, but it was no longer stripped back like the PS1 version.
It adds 90% of the animation... I used the Original generic cart... 2 would pop up.. only character who is 90% restored is juggernaut
I have the Saturn version, thankfully I didn't go for the PS1 version.
most fanboys would go for the PlayStation version
You forgot that the psx version doesn't have a save feature.
Oh and half the endings are missing.
Yep, true but I guess people in to fighting games don't really care about the save feature. A shame about the missing endings. I didn't know about that.
@@williamhowe1 *That's how Mafia Works*
do you think the PlayStation version of X-men vs street fighter is acceptable to play?
Sure, it as well enough for the casual fighting game fan but for those who want the best, they should look towards the PC (high spec version) or Saturn. Actually the Saturn is the best choice due to the superior control pad (Japanese design).
Thanks for your advice. X-men vs street fighter just came in the mail and I am satisfied even though I thought that the PlayStations Dpad would be OK with playing it, but I was wrong. Probably will be looking into buying a third party PlayStation controller with a Dpad similar to the Saturn's Dpad.
Yeah, say the PlayStation D-pad is awful for fighting games. There are those that say it's great but obviously they're just fan boys or know no better. See if you can get a PlayStation to Saturn pad converter. I know they make them for Dreamcast so I hope you can get one for the PlayStation. Facing that, Hori make some excellent PlayStation joysticks and pads which would be worth checking out. I use Hori sticks and pads with my PS2 because I find d Sony's pads to be horrible to use.
Most of the versions are rather good.
I have something to say about the PlayStation version. That something is why. Why is it so inferior? Why was it handled so badly? It could've been up there with the Saturn port, but no.
If you think that's bad then wait until you see this week's Battle of the Ports. The PlayStation port is trully awful
Doubt that the Saturns 2d capability was untouched at the time. Most if not all capcom, snk 2d games are better on Saturn and that's not including the 1mb and 4mb ram carts, add those and it's not even close, Xmen vs street fighter for example.
Saturn actually had hardware that did all that classic 2D based tile rendering stuff. The PS1 had to recreate it all with 3D polygons, and was limited by its fillrate to handle all of it. Stuff like raster effects on PS1 didn’t tend to make the cut among other things.
When praising the pc games we should keep in mind the shit controllers and drivers they had back then.
yeah, it was rough. I recall the only reliable way to play that port of COTA on there back then was through a keyboard. It didn't help that a Windows port of it was never made, it was only for DOS. And truth be told, knowing how Windows was back then DOS was probably the only real way to pull it off for performance sake.
RetroBoi! Do Marvel Super Heroes. The US Saturn release supported the 1MEG ram cart, despite it not releasing in the West, so it's a good point of comparison vs the PS version.
Probe doing a half assed job? nothing new here.
*SEGA SATURN all the way!* ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
Didn't the PC version lack the ability to do Chain Combos?
I dont recall, sorry.
So, I've dug up my ~20 years old CD of the game, booted it up and...yep. Chain Combos don't work. Google also show mentions of this. It's a shame because everything else is good (those redbook BGMs!). :(
It needed a specific patch for that. But even with that, there were a ton of other inaccuracies in the gameplay that Probe didn’t bother to fix unfortunately. It’s literally the ONLY reason it’s not the definitive home version IMO.
Try the ports of Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes.
I only have access to the Saturn port of that.
just download emulator. no one will tell ;-). Demul works perfect for dreamcast Marvel vs. capcom. Bizhawk perfect for Saturn. Bizhawk also perfect for psx 1 version and then at last Mame (arcade) works perfect. Go show us
@@RetroCore Well. Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes did get a release on the Sega Dreamcast.
the PC version is in fact a port of the Sega Saturn version.
It is? What makes you say that? I'm interested to find out as I always though it was based upon the PlayStation version.
very easy : the Saturn version is a port of the CPS-II arcade version, released in 1996, while the PSX version is the very latest port, released in february 1998. The PC cdrom version came out just after the sega saturn version, many months before the PSX release.
For your information, the PC version exists in 3 modes : 4, 8, and 16mb. The 16mb version has all the arcade colors, and all the sprites frames. alas, only the 8mb version has been cracked. The 4mb version is like the PSX version, the 8mb the Saturn port, and the 16mb version the arcade version. This game is a bitch to run, even in Dosbox. There is also a patch for the PC version, porting the release from v1.0 to v1.1. To use it, you need to have the original PC Cdrom.
dlfrsilver
Good information! Thanks for the heads up.
@@dlfrsilver that is RIGHT! I remember doing the 4MB install as a goof at one point in time and saw how cutback it was and immediately went to the 16MB install instead. That said, it's the PS1 version if it actually ran well.
Only played the playstation version, and enjoyed it... Never played any other hw version of this.
+João Ralha Give the Saturn port a try if you every get the chance. It's much better. Don't play the PAL version though.
Forget both of them and just get the Marvel Vs. Capcom Fighting Collection. LOL. It’s the only one that plays 100% right. LOL
I do have it on ps1 it was one of ps1 collection game and x-man children of atom was one of them sure it frame rate is bad at it all it is fun but there's one fatal flaw in ps1 the counties are limited all counties gone game over back to start
+TheNawaf258 Yes, that's so true. Why on earth did they limit the continues in a fighting game. That's just stupid.
yes that goes same way on mortal kombat 4 is has same limit the continues again
***** just as well I don't rate any Mortal Kombat game.
Loved this on the Saturn, can remember being blown away by the size of the sprites, animation, way you could jump and fight in mid air and the multi-stage layout levels.
The Saturn had more ram than the PS1 leading to better animation in 2D games also i think it was originally going to be a 2D only machine but vastly superior to the Megadrive.
Sega got a whiff of what Sony was going to be doing with the PS1 and added extra processing power. That is why the Saturn was usually better at sprite based 2D games and the PS1 was the best or easier to program for 3D games.
I had both evetually.
Craig Wilson Saturn essentially doesn’t have specialized polygon rendering hardware, it is essentially an advanced sprite scaling and rotation hardware. It can be used to render 3D environments, but it is much less efficient and less capable than PS1 GPU at doing that.
It boggles the mind that Probe Entertainment handled the PC version better than the PS1. Having said that, they're still nowhere near Rutubo Games' superb Saturn conversion.
+AlviEao Rutubo Games are so good because they are made up of members from Dempa who were are part of Micomsoft who make the XRGB series of upscan converters. Dempa always made great X68000 games and even did the Mega Drive port of After Burner.
+AlviEao Probe did a really good job with the Mortal Kombat DOS port that came on CD together with MK2 in a compilation, so it's not unprecedented that Probe can get it right when they aren't under pressure from Acclaim to deliver a million ports of a hot new game that all have to ship at the same time. The MK port found on the CD collection is entirely different from their previous port that was released on floppy.
PC had WAAAAAAY more RAM than a PS1, not to mention it runs off a hard drive so it can load things fast enough as it goes.
lol at the ps1 port using fmv intro, lazy probe.
+RallyDon82 It's probably like that because they couldn't get all the satge details and characters in to memory for the fast transitions.
That intro wasn’t happening on the PS1. By some miracle they made it happen on Saturn even though you can tell it’s really having to work for it as it goes.
AWESOME!!!!
Wow, the Playstation version looks rough. I have only played the Saturn and arcade versions myself. Don't really like the game that much. (Multi tier/ not tire)
Safe to say any arcade fighter from 94-99 ported to the ps1 is absolute garbage lol
Even the 3D ones had their quirks. Still a good console.
Marvel vs Capcom was a good port
@@matthewnikitas8905 lol FALSE!! No tag system, constant loading bruh that port was BUTT!!
@@matthewnikitas8905To what? The Dreamcast? Or the Xbox 360 ala MvC: Origins?
@@m.jordan5181 To the PS1… Refer to the original comment
Tiered is not pronounced the same as tired.
Yeah... I got the CPS2 board of this... I may have 2 in fact. Don't like it... should sell it.
Well good for you...
Was just playing this on mame lol and all i have to say is.....OMEGA DESTROYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR haha love this game.
This game barely even holds up as an arcade original. Many later CPS2 releases made this basically redundant IMO. So when you factor in the PSX is a horrible port of THAT, I really have no explanation how it's selling for $90+ on eBay.
i quite like this game. True, it'S not as good as the later releases but it still has it's charm.
maybe, but in terms of sheer animation and detail this game beats all of its "sequels", multiple background layers, floor raster effects, very detailed/animated and changing stages, and full walking animations for characters such as Wolverine, Psylocke, Juggernaut, Omega Red and Sentinel whose animation had to be cut for later Marvel based games (with Spiral totally removed for later games for having too complex/detailed animation, MVC2 sprite has lots of frames missing)
Nostalgia cost. I dunno know how old you are but as a 10 year old fan of cartoon and seeing this in an arcade my mind was blown. I'm sure a lot of people my age want to own it in their homes. I have the Saturn version I pop it in every now and again to get that fix lol
@@Spolupyo Marvel Superheroes had all of this animation too, and like with COTA much of its animations were cutback some when the Vs. games happened. The big problem with both MSH and COTA arcade is that they both maxed out CPS2 storage. So when they did the Vs. titles with the Street Fighters and such, they had to start cutting back the Marvel characters some in order to make it work. X-Men Vs. Street Fighter took the least of the hits, but MSHvSF was the one where the hits became more apparent. ALL the Marvel characters lost the extra frames on their hit animations. Some attacks lost a frame or two. Crouch animations were gotten rid of. Some walk cycles were cut back, especially Cyclops and Captain America. And when MvC1 came out, part of the reason for its 16 character roster is because the newer Capcom characters had more animation than the Street Fighters did on average. On the audio front to help this out, they cut the individual hyper combo announcements at the end of rounds.
it is quite annoying to see many episodes made with misconfigured dosbox emulator.
noop9k i cant ever get dosbox to run worth a shit got any tips?
DON’T JOIN IN
I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
Did you just say...
ACCLAIM??????
Yes. That's how it's pronounced.
I meant, I was raging at Acclaim for their god awful port.
Also, the secret rule is to NEVER SPEAK OF THEM unless it's an absolute must to do so.
Oh, Acclaim were lucky to distribute this in the West.
Well we're UNlucky to have gotten such an awful port.
@@marioghernandez4960 Acclaim had the license to the Marvel properties for home consoles which is why their name is plastered all over this despite them not making the game at all.
Saturn was a 2D powerhouse. Unfortunately it was such in a time when eager gamers were hungry for a 3D powerhouse. I remember many Saturn ports of 3D games like Doom just being awful and choppy, compared to the PSX versions. Especially Doom! The Saturn port had none of the cool lighting effects, and felt like it ran at half the frame rate.
+Andrew Vrba +Andrew Vrba Such a time when casual gamers were board I like to think.
The amount of shit companies such as Gremlin Interactive and Psygnosis
churned out yet everyone though they were amazing games. Crazy Ivan,
Nova Storm, Adidas Power Soccer (or whatever it was called), Assault
Rigs and so one were all sub par crap yet they sold by the truck load.
As for Saturn Doom, well that was programmed by idiots. Saturn Quake,
Duke Nukem 3D, Exhumed and even Hexen prove that the system could have
done a silky smooth version of Doom. Strangely the Japanese release of
Saturn Doom is smother than the western version. It's still rubbish
mind you.
Retro Core I'm guessing we have "They made the architecture too complex!" to blame for less than stellar ports of 3D titles then.
Andrew Vrba
Probably
Retro Core I had Saturn for a while, with one of those generic Action Replay/Import player/Ram carts, once upon a time. Those carts are a must own, if you want to get the most out of the hardware.
I guess so but in all honesty I've never had the use for one but that's probably because I've I always had a memory card plugged in and only used the internal save for games that needed a ram cart of some sort.
Now you've made me want to get a 4 in 1 cart :p
Both Versions of this game is trash.. Saturn and Psx..
You must be joking! The Saturn port is exceptional.
eddy chelsea Exceptionally trash
SDS Overfiend moron
Saturn was playable, especially for its time though yes it DID have numerous issues. That PS1 version is just godawful though.